How greening buildings could transform our cities into thriving ecosystems

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As cities grow greener, plants are often used as superficial decoration. But what if architecture could create genuine ecosystems? Catie Ryan Balagtas and Anuj Jain reveal how buildings can support all life.

New York-based Catie Ryan Balagtas brings critical insights to this conversation, drawing on her expertise in biophilic design and her role at Terrapin Bright Green. She challenges us to think beyond aesthetics, exploring how nature-integrated architecture can support human well-being and ecological performance.

Anuj Jain’s work with bioSEA in Singapore places him at the forefront of biocentric design. His experience in wildlife conservation and ecological urban planning adds depth to this discussion, as he highlights the opportunities and challenges of designing cities that act as ecosystems.

From Kampung Admiralty’s urban habitat in Singapore to New York City’s 111 Eighth Avenue redefining sustainable water use, this episode explores how groundbreaking projects are shaping the future of architecture and ecology.

Episode outline

00:07:02 Understanding biocentric design
00:07:45 “Biocentric design looks at the whole ecosystem, the interactions of different organisms — flora and fauna — with itself […]”
00:13:31 “You have this continuous plane where birds fly […] you’ve recorded overall, actually, 213 species from this building […]”
00:14:40 “Buildings become analogues for things that happen in nature […]”
00:24:03 From theory to practice
00:24:46 “One of the first questions we often ask is: Should we even be building here?”
00:25:44 “My first step would be to […] engage the team in understanding the site before […] planning and concept […]”
00:27:20 “We should start with at least having a small pocket of spontaneous vegetation […] in every project we do.”
00:29:37 Making it work
00:31:54 “Sooner is better because then the opportunity is greater […] to bring a whole team together […]”
00:37:45 “We found it really important to actually bring the facility managers into the conversation early on […]”

Summary

Plants are popping up everywhere in our cities — on facades, rooftops, and balconies. They’re beautiful, sure. But as architects, designers, and urban thinkers, we’re asking a bigger question: What’s the point?

In this episode, we take a closer look at the growing trend of integrating greenery with architecture. Beyond the aesthetic appeal, what are we actually gaining? And more importantly, what are we missing?

Our guests, Catie Ryan Balagtas and Anuj Jain, push us to rethink how and why we green our buildings. They challenge the idea of greenery as just decoration, asking: What would it take to make these designs truly functional — like ecosystems that support biodiversity, clean water, and carbon cycles?

The firm bioSEA has counted 213 species in the cascading green terraces of Kampung Admiralty in Singapore, designed by WOHA (architecture) and Ramboll (landscape).
© Patrick Bingham-Hall

One of the big talking points is the question of how we quantify the success of greening efforts. Should we focus on financial returns, such as increased property value, or embrace broader metrics like biodiversity, air quality, and ecosystem health? How do these differing approaches shape the future of sustainable design?

Terrapin Bright Green tapped a natural stream beneath 111 Eighth Avenue in New York to drastically cut the massive building’s water consumption.
Source: Taconic Partners

Then there’s tension between design intention and real-world outcomes. What happens when projects marketed as “green” fall short — adding token greenery without addressing the deeper needs of ecosystems? Our discussion highlights the urgent need to prioritise long-term ecological benefits over short-term visual appeal.

At Portland International Airport’s main terminal (designed by ZGF, Place, and Terrapin Bright Green), a timber roof serves many purposes.
© Ema Peter Photography

Through examples like Singapore’s Kampung Admiralty and New York’s 111 Eighth Avenue, we see how thoughtful design can deliver real ecological impact. These projects demonstrate that integrating nature into architecture isn’t just possible: it’s practical, scalable, and essential for sustainable urban living.

Kampung Admiralty proves that dense urban development can successfully integrate biodiversity while serving multiple community needs.
© Patrick Bingham-Hall

But it’s not easy. Aligning clients, architects, and project teams around ecological goals comes with significant challenges. How can we push past resistance and bridge the gap between ambition and execution?

Hero image: AI-generated image by StockCake.

Episode Notes

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This episode is brought to you by:

The Holcim Foundation for Sustainable Construction

The Holcim Foundation helps drive systemic change towards a more sustainable built environment. It was founded in 2003 to define and promote the key principles of sustainability for the construction sector and is committed to accelerating the sector’s transformation so that people and the planet can thrive.

The Foundation has investigated various aspects of sustainable construction via a series of roundtables and conferences with international experts. It has also recognised excellent contributions to this field with the Holcim Foundation Awards which are considered the world’s most significant competition for sustainable design.

Committed to a holistic approach that recognises the equal importance and interdependence of four key goals, the Foundation combines the collective knowledge, ideas, and solutions of our global community of experts with a recognised platform of international competitions to democratise thought leadership for the entire sector.

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This episode is brought to you by:

The Holcim Foundation for Sustainable Construction

The Holcim Foundation helps drive systemic change towards a more sustainable built environment. It was founded in 2003 to define and promote the key principles of sustainability for the construction sector and is committed to accelerating the sector’s transformation so that people and the planet can thrive.

The Foundation has investigated various aspects of sustainable construction via a series of roundtables and conferences with international experts. It has also recognised excellent contributions to this field with the Holcim Foundation Awards which are considered the world’s most significant competition for sustainable design.

Committed to a holistic approach that recognises the equal importance and interdependence of four key goals, the Foundation combines the collective knowledge, ideas, and solutions of our global community of experts with a recognised platform of international competitions to democratise thought leadership for the entire sector.

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00:01:03 “…fields of biophilic and biocentric…”
What Is and Is Not Biophilic Design?”  |  Metropolis
00:01:03 “…biophilic and biocentric design…”
How biocentric architecture can help architects hit climate goals”  |  American Institute of Architects
00:08:33 “…for us: regenerative design. How do…”
What is Regenerative Architecture? Limits of Sustainable Design, System Thinking Approach and the Future”  |  ArchDaily
00:10:30 “…would include abiotic. I mean…”
Abiotic Factors”  |  National Geographic
00:13:00 “…the right GFA, the right…”
GFA Explained: A Comprehensive Guide to Gross Floor Area”  |  Room Sketcher
00:14:24 “…was titled How a Bird Sees It, and it…”
Urban Greening and Architectural Form: A Bird’s Eye View”  |  Research Gate
00:27:24 “…small pocket of spontaneous vegetation, wild vegetation…”
Ecosystem services provided by urban spontaneous vegetation”  |  Springer Nature
00:28:49 “…like the 14 Patterns of Biophilic Design. And there’s…”
Terrapin Releases 14 Patterns of Biophilic Design”  |  Terrapin Bright Green
00:36:43 “…made of mass timber was addressing…”
The Dezeen guide to mass timber in architecture”  |  Dezeen
00:39:21 “…mapped out 580 watersheds in New York…”
What is a watershed?”  |  National Ocean Service
00:01:05 “…design. Catie Ryan Balagtas from Terrapin…”
“Catie Ryan Balagtas”  |  LinkedIn
00:01:06 “…Balagtas from Terrapin Bright Green in New…”
Terrapin Bright Green”  |  Terrapin Bright Green
00:01:09 “…and Anuj Jain from bioSEA…”
Anuj Jain”  |  LinkedIn
00:01:10 “…Jain from bioSEA in Singapore…”
bioSEA”  |  bioSEA
00:06:05 “…default to Edward Wilson’s definitions or…”
E.O. Wilson”  |  Britannica
00:11:25 “…worked with WOHA Architects for a…”
WOHA”  |  WOHA
00:16:07 “…like Buro Happold and…”
Buro Happold”  |  Buro Happold
00:16:07 “…and COOKFOX have done…”
COOKFOX”  |  COOKFOX
00:18:43 “…working with Eric Sanderson, who’s now…”
Eric W. Sanderson”  |  New York Botanical Garden
00:21:33 “…As Janine M. Benyus puts it…”
Janine M. Benyus”  |  LinkedIn
00:29:41 “…I mean Kevin Lynch, the whole idea…”
Kevin Andrew Lynch”  |  The Cultural Landscape Foundation
00:39:16 “…with the Department of Environmental Protection, and they’ve…”
Environmental Protection Agency”  |  Environmental Protection Agency
00:01:08 “…Green in New York City, and…”
New York City” (New York, United States)  |  Britannica
00:01:10 “…bioSEA in Singapore. We look…”
Singapore”  |  Britannica
00:11:29 “…would be Kampung Admiralty. This is…”
Kampung Admiralty / WOHA”  |  Archdaily
00:17:39 “…The 111 Eighth Avenue in the…”
111 Eighth Avenue” (Chelsea, New York, United States)  |  Taconic Partners
00:17:41 “…in the Chelsea neighbourhood…”
Chelsea” (New York City, New York, United States)  |  Wikipedia
00:17:44 “…New York City in Manhattan is a…”
Manhattan” (New York City, New York, United States)  |  Britannica
00:18:47 “…at the New York Botanical Gardens at the…”
New York Botanical Gardens”  |  New York Botanical Garden
00:36:36 “…the Port of Portland airport terminal is a great…”
Port of Portland, PDX Airport Main Terminal Expansion” (Portland, Oregon, United States)  |  ZGF

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Nirmal Kishnani

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