Indonesia’s new capital is its “most expensive political decision” ever

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New capital cities rarely succeed. Will Nusantara — Indonesia’s largest urban gamble to date — be different? In this episode, we find out how Nusantara will avoid the pitfalls of planned cities from the past.

As an architect, urbanist, politician, and social media heavyweight, Ridwan Kamil brings a rare combination of creative and public sector experience to his current role as Nusantara’s Development Curator.

With Ridwan leading its curation, Nusantara (also known as Ibu Kota Nusantara, or IKN) aims to be an inclusive city that blends the natural and built environments. Will it beat the odds and become Indonesia’s new green urban heart?

Episode outline

00:07:07 Why build a new capital?
00:10:36 “This is the most expensive political decision in our history. We need to be successful.”
00:12:21 “It takes […] hundreds or more years to be the Washington, DC that we know today.”
00:11:46 Designing a human-centred city
00:14:36 “So I have to become the police to make sure, hey, ground floor is for public use.”
00:17:54 “I reduced the right of way because usually in a big city they tend to show off by having a very wide right of way.”
00:22:12 Sustainability from the start
00:22:39 “All the buildings must get gold or platinum green certificates.”
00:23:28 “In the future, 100% electricity will be coming from renewable energy.”
00:25:35 “I will ask, where is your forest on the rooftop?”

Summary

While critics point to Nusantara’s environmental impact, remote location, and accelerated timeline, the project offers a glimpse into how we might build cities from scratch in the 21st century.

The decision to move from Jakarta dates back to colonial times. What’s different now is the scale of ambition and the emphasis on sustainability.

Nusantara was conceived as part of a strategy to reduce developmental inequality between Java and other islands in the Indonesian archipelago.
Courtesy of URBAN+ and Ministry of Public Work and Housing of Indonesia

One of Ridwan’s key contributions has been prioritising public spaces and connectivity. He proposed a “public ground floor” approach, where ground-level areas are used for social interactions, retail, and community activities.

In Nusantara, the ground level of buildings will be reserved for public use. Building facades and rooftops will host vegetation.
Courtesy of URBAN+ and Ministry of Public Work and Housing of Indonesia

As a net-zero-carbon city, Nusantara promises several groundbreaking features. It will run entirely on renewable energy, permit only electric vehicles within its boundaries, and pioneer a unique approach to urban forestry where architecture deliberately takes a backseat to nature.

Nusantara will derive all its energy from renewable sources and ensure 80% of mobility is supported by public transport, cycling, or walking.
Courtesy of URBAN+ and Ministry of Public Work and Housing of Indonesia

Ridwan knows infrastructure alone won’t build Nusantara; people need a reason to move. With his suggestions to foster job opportunities, create local attractions, and offer tax breaks, he hopes Nusantara will become a place where Indonesians feel a sense of purpose and opportunity.

Beyond curating the city’s design, Ridwan addresses public concerns about deforestation. He clarifies that Nusantara’s site was an old eucalyptus plantation, now being rewilded with native trees to revive biodiversity, creating a genuine tropical forest.

Once an industrial eucalyptus plantation, Nusantara’s plan includes the planting of 21 million new tropical trees.
Courtesy of URBAN+ and Ministry of Public Work and Housing of Indonesia

However, the project faces significant challenges. The pressure to complete phase one quickly has led to an accelerated construction timeline, while the longer-term challenge lies in attracting people and businesses to this new urban centre.

The project team acknowledges that building a truly vibrant city requires patience — possibly decades — and a delicate balance between government planning and private sector investment.

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The Holcim Foundation for Sustainable Construction

The Holcim Foundation helps drive systemic change towards a more sustainable built environment. It was founded in 2003 to define and promote the key principles of sustainability for the construction sector and is committed to accelerating the sector’s transformation so that people and the planet can thrive.

The Foundation has investigated various aspects of sustainable construction via a series of roundtables and conferences with international experts. It has also recognised excellent contributions to this field with the Holcim Foundation Awards which are considered the world’s most significant competition for sustainable design.

Committed to a holistic approach that recognises the equal importance and interdependence of four key goals, the Foundation combines the collective knowledge, ideas, and solutions of our global community of experts with a recognised platform of international competitions to democratise thought leadership for the entire sector.

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This episode is brought to you by:

The Holcim Foundation for Sustainable Construction

The Holcim Foundation helps drive systemic change towards a more sustainable built environment. It was founded in 2003 to define and promote the key principles of sustainability for the construction sector and is committed to accelerating the sector’s transformation so that people and the planet can thrive.

The Foundation has investigated various aspects of sustainable construction via a series of roundtables and conferences with international experts. It has also recognised excellent contributions to this field with the Holcim Foundation Awards which are considered the world’s most significant competition for sustainable design.

Committed to a holistic approach that recognises the equal importance and interdependence of four key goals, the Foundation combines the collective knowledge, ideas, and solutions of our global community of experts with a recognised platform of international competitions to democratise thought leadership for the entire sector.

W  |  holcimfoundation.org

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00:10:02 “…of past custom-built capital cities — like Brasília …”
“The cities designed to be capitals”  |  CNN
00:14:03 “…we call it [the] GREENSHIP index…”
“GREENSHIP Rating Tools New Building”  |  Green Building Council Indonesia
00:22:10 “…will be net-zero carbon emissions…”
“Net Zero Carbon Cities”  |  World Economic Forum
00:00:13 “…Ridwan Kamil, the recently appointed curator …”
“Ridwan Kamil”  |  Bloomberg
00:01:36 “…You were founder of Urbane Indonesia…”
“Urbane Indonesia”  |  Urbane Indonesia
00:05:31 “…honorary degree from Glasgow University…”
“University of Glasgow”  |  University of Glasgow
00:07:37 “…the idea of the President Jokowi …”
“Joko Widodo”  |  Britannica
00:08:38 “…Sukarno, the first president, also coined …”
“Sukarno”  |  Britannica
00:09:02 “…during Suharto’s [that] time also plan to move…”
“Suharto”  |  Britannica
00:23:25 “…It’s already built by our PLN projects…”
“PLN (Company Profile)”  |  PLN
00:29:07 “…summoned by Prabowo, the President Elect…”
“Prabowo Subianto”  |  Britannica
00:00:00 “…Nusantara, the new capital city of Indonesia…”
“Nusantara” (East Kalimantan, Indonesia)  |  Britannica
00:00:01 “…the new capital city of Indonesia…”
“Indonesia”  |  Britannica
00:01:41 “…former mayor of Bandung, the city governor…”
“Bandung” (West Java, Indonesia)  |  Britannica
00:01:42 “…the city governor of West Java, Indonesia.…”
“West Java” (Indonesia)  |  Britannica
00:01:51 “…under construction in East Kalimantan…”
“East Kalimantan” (Indonesia)  |  Britannica
00:07:51 “…from Batavia, now Jakarta, to other cities…”
“Jakarta” (West Java, Indonesia)  |  Britannica
00:07:51 “…from Batavia, now Jakarta, to other cities…”
“Jakarta” (Batavia (now Jakarta), West Java, Indonesia)  |  Britannica
00:08:45 “…city of Palangkaraya — exactly in the middle of Kalimantan…”
“Palangkaraya” (Palangkaraya, Kalimantan, Indonesia)  |  Britannica
00:08:48 “…exactly in the middle of Kalimantan…”
“Kalimantan” (Kalimantan, Indonesia)  |  Britannica
00:09:10 “…move the capital from Jakarta to Jonggol …”
“Jonggol” (West Java, Indonesia)  |  Wikipedia
00:09:13 “…Jonggol is an area in the Bogor region…”
“Bogor” (West Java, Indonesia)  |  Britannica
00:12:19 “…applaud is Washington, DC; but it takes…”
“Washington, D.C.” (United States)  |  Britannica

There are no design features discussed in this episode.

00:18:34 “…Nusantara will be [an] EV-only city…”
“How Do All-Electric Cars Work?”  |  US Department of Energy
00:23:21 “…power — hydro power; and…”
“Hydroelectric Energy”  |  National Geographic Education

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Nirmal Kishnani

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Maxime Flores

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Alexander Melck  |  Phlogiston

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Kelvin Brown  |  Phlogiston

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